Working on overhaul of our moderation system

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Originally posted by afrika

there is no right and wrong, there is Law( that governs free countries) and transparency( content freely displayed, accessed or Reported).
wbwcom is a documentation of human sexuality( videos) and an Instagram with nudity -the full spicy flavour. free the nipple! send nudes not nukes
if you are a pervert, your problem. on this thread, your post is off-topic.

good points. from a male point of view.

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Originally posted by Diz-X

Seems like people have problems with the creepshot / voyeur category. I am willing to remove the 14k+ images if this is the community wants this.

I don’t have a problem with pictures of women on here even if they don’t know their pic is being taken, at least not on face value. The part where it becomes an issue (to me) is where they can reasonably expect that no one sees them, but there is a phone up a skirt to take a picture, or a hidden camera, etc. I have no problem at all with a picture of a woman in public, though.

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Originally posted by LemonR

I don't understand why lots of pics uploaded and taken by me are rejected with the mencion "Copyrigted"

This is off topic, but if the pics you posted under it are the ones, they should have been rejected as "Gross/Extreme" as urination isn't allowed. Considering the "pro" button is right above the "gross/extreme" one, I suppose someone didn't click the right button when rejecting those two pics.

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Originally posted by dariusslay

I don’t have a problem with pictures of women on here even if they don’t know their pic is being taken, at least not on face value. The part where it becomes an issue (to me) is where they can reasonably expect that no one sees them, but there is a phone up a skirt to take a picture, or a hidden camera, etc. I have no problem at all with a picture of a woman in public, though.

Yeah, I'm on kinda the same stance. I just don't know how to call that category as "unconscious" only include sleeping / unconscious women and "non-consensual" would include public pics. Maybe something like "breach of privacy" ?

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Originally posted by omuh

Yeah, I'm on kinda the same stance. I just don't know how to call that category as "unconscious" only include sleeping / unconscious women and "non-consensual" would include public pics. Maybe something like "breach of privacy" ?

Breach of privacy is probably a good way to put it. The 14k pictures in the candid/creepshot category, I certainly wouldn’t get rid of all of those. Most of those are just fine, in my view.

Rhps is a big offender of this one

Currently reworking the deny reasons, these are the ones I have now:

DUPL - Duplicate : 0
MARK - Watermarked : 2
PROF - Professional : 1
UA - Underaged : 4
QA - Questionably aged : 2
KB - Kid(s) in background : 1
EXTR - Gross / Extreme : 2
QTY - Bad quality : 1
CROP - Cropped : 0
ALT - Altered / Photoshopped : 1
SCRN - Screenshot (UI elements in photo/video) : 1
AI - AI generated : 1
UNCO - Unconscious : 2
OTHER - Other : 0

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Originally posted by Diz-X

Currently reworking the deny reasons, these are the ones I have now:

DUPL - Duplicate : 0
MARK - Watermarked : 2
PROF - Professional : 1
UA - Underaged : 4
QA - Questionably aged : 2
KB - Kid(s) in background : 1
EXTR - Gross / Extreme : 2
QTY - Bad quality : 1
CROP - Cropped : 0
ALT - Altered / Photoshopped : 1
SCRN - Screenshot (UI elements in photo/video) : 1
AI - AI generated : 1
UNCO - Unconscious : 2
OTHER - Other : 0

Why not just have "Altered (edited/cropped)" as one category? We're not suggesting the uploader has done any of these things themselves necessarily (although I'm sure some do), but it means the original image has been edited in some way. I'm not sure we need a differentiator between "cropped" and "altered/photoshopped".

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Originally posted by Diz-X

Currently reworking the deny reasons, these are the ones I have now:

DUPL - Duplicate : 0
MARK - Watermarked : 2
PROF - Professional : 1
UA - Underaged : 4
QA - Questionably aged : 2
KB - Kid(s) in background : 1
EXTR - Gross / Extreme : 2
QTY - Bad quality : 1
CROP - Cropped : 0
ALT - Altered / Photoshopped : 1
SCRN - Screenshot (UI elements in photo/video) : 1
AI - AI generated : 1
UNCO - Unconscious : 2
OTHER - Other : 0

I'm also still not sure what benefit is in having "underaged" and "questionably aged".

Unless we are only using "underaged" for when someone uploads an obvious child (like a baby/toddler) as the main focus of the image (thankfully not something I have experienced so far) - if this happens, it should result in an immediate ban IMO.

We could just have "questionably aged" which in reality, is exactly what we think when rejecting these images. Nobody really knows for sure if a young-looking woman is 16 or 19, but if a moderator (or several) is doubtful, we would select "questionably aged". The uploader might think they are old enough, but if there is any doubt, we don't need to risk it.

Under age?
I thought ALL were of age?
You missed some?
Fuck that!
You’re going to be jailed.

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Originally posted by The_Sentinel

I'm also still not sure what benefit is in having "underaged" and "questionably aged".

Unless we are only using "underaged" for when someone uploads an obvious child (like a baby/toddler) as the main focus of the image (thankfully not something I have experienced so far) - if this happens, it should result in an immediate ban IMO.

We could just have "questionably aged" which in reality, is exactly what we think when rejecting these images. Nobody really knows for sure if a young-looking woman is 16 or 19, but if a moderator (or several) is doubtful, we would select "questionably aged". The uploader might think they are old enough, but if there is any doubt, we don't need to risk it.

'Underage' should be discarded and just use 'questionably aged' for the simple reason you have no proof they are underage. That's why I've said put them in a separate queue and get a consensus of several mods before accepting or rejecting the pics. That would also alleviate having those pics rejected by one mod and accepted by a different mod.

[reply=realwilo]what about pics taken fully consensual, but first of all taken for "private use" only? I'm pretty sure, the woman never accepted to be displayed online afterwards!

let's face it, we're all pervs here and we basically don't care about right or wrong! and we love to see naked women - most of all I love to see naked women in situations, they don't know I can see them naked!

We're not all pervs as you say, so don't put us all in your category. I'm sure any woman on a beach in a bikini doesn't mind her photo being taken that much, but I'm also pretty sure she would mind those pics showing up on an internet porn site. That's what I was trying to point out, its not taking the photo that's the issue, it's posting it, especially for any kind of gain, ie credits, that could create problems.

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Originally posted by strictguy

[reply=realwilo]I'm sure any woman on a beach in a bikini doesn't mind her photo being taken that much, but I'm also pretty sure she would mind those pics showing up on an internet porn site. That's what I was trying to point out, its not taking the photo that's the issue, it's posting it, especially for any kind of gain, ie credits, that could create problems.

Eh, I think that same reasoning would apply to most pics on this site. The woman in the photo doesn't mind her photo being taken, but still doesn't intend for it to end up on a porn site.

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Originally posted by dariusslay

Eh, I think that same reasoning would apply to most pics on this site. The woman in the photo doesn't mind her photo being taken, but still doesn't intend for it to end up on a porn site.

That's true in a lot of cases, but it's still an invasion of privacy in various countries.

The best thing that could happen with the moderation system is to have some sort of continuity or blanket rules that the moderation team can comply with as a group. We can change the categories by adding and removing them 'til the cows come home but how will the moderators apply it? There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to why some of the uploads are being rejected. It just doesn't make any sense and it's really annoying to deal with.

The website is sending massively mixed signals as to what's appropriate content and what's not. Every single time you try to finish a set, it gets rejected. When you already see photos from that set/lady on the website, that tells me the set is fair game to be uploaded here but then I am told it's not and the uploads get rejected. Effectively it's mod roulette, you either get lucky or you don't.

Even today, all 8 of my uploads of a particular lady rejected for being 'Celebrity/Model'. The thing is I uploaded a few photos of the exact same lady a few days back and they were all fine. But today it's not fine. What's different? What's changed in the last 24 hours that this lady is now deemed a model? I don't understand, it's literally the same lady, in the same room, at the same time in a slightly different pose but mines are rejected and someone else's isn't? Make it make sense.

You try to complete a set (half of the set is already on here and has been accepted) but only some photos from that set are deemed acceptable and some are not, it doesn't make any sense when 'Celeb/Model' is the reason for rejection. She's either a 'celeb/model' or she's not. I don't understand how half a set can be construed as such by one moderator when the next mod has a completely different opinion... It shouldn't be a grey area whether someone is a model or not, unlike other categories where I understand a moderator will have to use some sort of personal discretion (like potentially under-age pics etc).

I'm honestly scared to upload anything now as it just seems to be pot luck if your uploads will be accepted or not. What irks me about this one is the lady in question is absolutely not a model or a celebrity. There's no evidence on the internet to say she's a model or a celebrity but they're rejected for that reason. You then take another random image from the site, do a reverse image search and lo-and-behold the lady in question has an OnlyFans page, a Chaturbate profile etc and is quite clearly a model. It's very inconsistent decision making from the moderators and until that's somewhat fixed then I can't see how the upload system gets any easier for us, the users, or the mods. Nobody's a winner here.

The lady in question I uploaded already was already on the site, pictured in a slightly different angle, but my uploads are not fine yet the other person's upload is fine? It's the same woman in the same room at the same time in a slightly different pose but now she is considered a model? I think there will always be a massive amount of rejected uploads if there doesn't seem to be any set rule between one moderator to the next.

The upload rules are so inconsistent from one mod to another, I don't want to play a game of luck knowing it's highly likely my uploads will be rejected despite some other uploader being allowed to upload the same set. Why should I upload anything when you are sure the system is pretty much down to luck?

I'd also suggest that if an already live upload is removed that there is a sufficient reasoning for it that I can use as feedback. Having 1 photo out of a set removed under the tag 'deleted' tells me nothing and is even more confusing when the rest of the set is up and live and fine but 1 photo has been 'deleted' with no reason given whatsoever. Again, it makes zero sense to me so how can I learn? Just keep throwing shit at the wall until it sticks?

I'm not saying I haven't ever uploaded a model but there's a lot of examples where your photos are rejected for a reason that, in my opinion, holds no weight in an argument. If a mod can provide proof to me that the lady in question is a model then I'll hold my hands up and say I'm wrong but I have done my homework and I know on this occasion I am correct in my assertion the person in question isn't a model or a celeb and is just an amateur.

There is almost zero consistency between the mods when it comes to uploads and that for me totally ruins the experience of contributing to the community.

Edit: I'd just like to add that I am sorry for coming across as super negative. I am deeply grateful to Diz-X for providing us with the best porn website there is. And I am genuinely grateful to the mods who help make it happen, essentially working for free to please us. I just feel like if the mods could get together, bash out some ideas to make those decisions more balanced and equal between the moderation team that it would cut down on folk (like me) complaining. The only reason we complain and rant here is because we care about the website a lot, else I would just log off and go do something else with my time. A couple tweaks here and there to the decision-making I feel will make the users, the mods and mostly Diz-X's lives easier and the website that bit more enjoyable to use.

Just to further expand on the 'Model/Celebrity' rejection thing being used randomly. I took the first page of the trending section and reverse image searched with Google all of these women and over 1/3 are models (34 out of 96 pics identified, and reported, with links provided) who have either Onlyfans/Fansly pages or are outright pornstars, some of them well known.

Some of these girls have almost 200 'linked' photos or videos despite a 5 second search showing actually they are a model. How can some of these girls be missed almost 200 times yet sometimes when you upload a photo, it's rejected for being a model or celebrity when there's no proof using reverse search that they are models?

Admittedly it's a small sample, but considering 35 out of 96 pics on the first page can be directly linked to Onlyfans models etc, one could assume that more than 1/3 of the ladies on this website would not be allowed if the rules were applied at the same level with every user/uploader.

Again, apologies for the rant. It's just completely unfair when you see the rules being applied seemingly randomly. My feedback would be that there's a set process in place for every moderator to follow, to identify pro models/celebrities, because it's clearly just mod roulette/pot-luck at this point when it comes to uploads. We can change the rejections reasons etc but it doesn't take away from the fact that some mods appear to allow and it some are overly strict with it.

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Originally posted by tututut1

Even today, all 8 of my uploads of a particular lady rejected for being 'Celebrity/Model'. The thing is I uploaded a few photos of the exact same lady a few days back and they were all fine. But today it's not fine. What's different? What's changed in the last 24 hours that this lady is now deemed a model? I don't understand, it's literally the same lady, in the same room, at the same time in a slightly different pose but mines are rejected and someone else's isn't? Make it make sense.

What irks me about this one is the lady in question is absolutely not a model or a celebrity.

The lady in question I uploaded already was already on the site, pictured in a slightly different angle, but my uploads are not fine yet the other person's upload is fine? It's the same woman in the same room at the same time in a slightly different pose but now she is considered a model?

I had a quick check and if it's the lady I'm seeing in your last 10+ rejections, she is a pro and goes by the name of BimboSarah. So her images are right to be rejected. Some of her images show nothing when you reverse image search them, some of them lead to many websites that show her galleries. I hope that the images that made it onto WBW are those that had no reverse image search results, and now she has been found to be professional, all images of her have been rightfully rejected/deleted. This might explain why some get through and some don't, but ultimately the right outcome has been reached. If there are any other images of her on WBW then they should also be reported.

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Originally posted by tututut1

I'd also suggest that if an already live upload is removed that there is a sufficient reasoning for it that I can use as feedback. Having 1 photo out of a set removed under the tag 'deleted' tells me nothing and is even more confusing when the rest of the set is up and live and fine but 1 photo has been 'deleted' with no reason given whatsoever.

I'm in total agreement with this, and it's something which Diz is looking to implement very soon I believe.

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Originally posted by tututut1

Edit: I'd just like to add that I am sorry for coming across as super negative. I am deeply grateful to Diz-X for providing us with the best porn website there is. And I am genuinely grateful to the mods who help make it happen, essentially working for free to please us. I just feel like if the mods could get together, bash out some ideas to make those decisions more balanced and equal between the moderation team that it would cut down on folk (like me) complaining. The only reason we complain and rant here is because we care about the website a lot, else I would just log off and go do something else with my time. A couple tweaks here and there to the decision-making I feel will make the users, the mods and mostly Diz-X's lives easier and the website that bit more enjoyable to use.

Believe it or not, we do actually appreciate constructive and well-written feedback such as this. This is why Diz makes alterations to the website and is constantly striving to improve things. It really isn't an easy job and the mods are certainly not kidding themselves by saying the process is clear and without error. Hopefully we can keep moving forward towards an improved system (although I guarantee we'll still get complaints, irrespective of what changes are made!).

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Originally posted by The_Sentinel

I had a quick check and if it's the lady I'm seeing in your last 10 rejections, she is a pro and goes by the name of BimboSarah. So her images are right to be rejected. Some of her images show nothing when you reverse image search them, some of them lead to many websites that show her galleries. I hope that the images that made it onto WBW are those that had no reverse image search results, and now she has been found to be professional, all images of her have been rightfully rejected/deleted. This might explain why some get through and some don't, but ultimately the right outcome has been reached. If there are any other images of her on WBW then they should also be reported.

Appreciate the kind feedback and the understanding of where I'm coming from, as it could easily be construed as throwing the toys out the pram and to a degree, it is!

The lady in question is indeed BimboSarah (there's quite a few on WBW of her, this site is where I found her originally. I shall report those photos).

Now this is where I may be getting confused... but in my eyes she is not a professional model and is an amateur. I may have missed something but I can't see anywhere where I can buy her photos or videos, like Onlyfans, Fansly etc. I can't see a porn company or model agency that she has worked for or any logos/watermarks on any of her photos or videos. There is of course a small handful of nude photos of hers that are taken by a professional photographer and have been heavily Photoshopped (Like these photos linked here) but that doesn't necessarily mean you're a professional model. Amateurs can have their photo taken too by a pro, it doesn't make you a pro model in my eyes.

I take the word profession(al) which means: "a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification."

I'd also say the wording in the upload guidelines supports my theory: "Refrain from uploading content featuring celebrities, professional models or material behind a paywalls (such as OnlyFans etc.). Photography sessions with amateur models are permitted."- I don't believe BimboSarah's content to be copyrighted or behind any paywalls. Perhaps I missed something on the internet? My bad if I have.

What does make a model a pro in my opinion is if they're making any money out of it, or if the company they are representing is, or any third party. Whether that be OnlyFans (small time) or Victoria's Secret (big time) any person or entity who makes monetary gain from those photos is then a professional. In this situation I can't see any evidence to support that BimboSarah is being paid for this and is essentially a woman who likes to be exposed. If you have anything to the contrary then I'd love to see it as I'd happily pay for any of her professional stuff.


Regardless, if the mods here recognize her as being a professional then I can only accept that but to me there is then a grey area about what is professional and what is amateur. Maybe if we could draw a line in the sand and have more in-depth, solid rules, as to what is classed as amateur and what is professional it would cut down on a lot of uploads that are highly likely to be rejected. From the stats I have seen you post in other forums, it appears 'professional/model' is by far the most likely reason to be rejected... Maybe this would make the mods/Diz's life a bit easier if it was explained better?

I'd also suggest, if it's a route Diz is happy to go down, then it might be worth not only having this distinction in the Community Guidelines but to also have a note on the upload page itself as most folk on here will never read the Community/Upload Guidelines or TOS. Something like this, perhaps?



*just a quickly thrown together example with my own wording*

Again, thanks for all the hard work you guys do and to Diz for being the guy.

Edit, link didn't work: https://forums.socialmediagirls.com/threads/big-titted-slut-trying-to-become-a-bimbo-come-check-me-out.156884/

I agree 100% with your experience and suggestions @tuttut1 . It's really frustrating, especially given users submit the comment that Diz-X makes revenue from.

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Originally posted by The_Sentinel

Why not just have "Altered (edited/cropped)" as one category? We're not suggesting the uploader has done any of these things themselves necessarily (although I'm sure some do), but it means the original image has been edited in some way. I'm not sure we need a differentiator between "cropped" and "altered/photoshopped".

Why not drop "cropped" as a reason altogether. Why have it? If the worry is duplicate images not getting picked up, then the fuzzy matching of the algorithm that detects duplicates!

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Originally posted by vbollie

.... It's really frustrating, especially given users submit the content that Diz-X makes revenue from.

you serious? people purchase sponsor membership for the videos. did anyone talk about the videos?
I had years ago a paid membership and watched thousands of videos. the payment is really worthy, great entertainment you'll find nowhere else.

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Originally posted by vbollie

Why not drop "cropped" as a reason altogether. Why have it?.....

why not drop the stupid picture galleries after all? why have them?
or freeze the uploading of photos and on the frontpage recycle the millions of pictures in the archives.