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  Unions need to be either totally rethought, or altogether removed from our market driven society. It's not like this is 1850, and one company in New York holds a monopoly building skyscrapers. Where they could get away with hiring Irish immigrants, making them work 12 hour days, paying them shit, and if they died on the job ... just say "oh well, he was just a stupid mic"(or whatever the racial slur for Irishmen was). There is way too much competition in business for companies to succeed while unions are telling them what to do. Add our government telling them what to do as well, and right there are the two main reasons for their troubles. I don't think my car is junk, and I'm sure many others feel the same way. All that being said, let them go under. I don't think anyone should ever be bailed out. Let them learn from past mistakes and give someone else an opportunity to step in and do it better. |
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Unions don't tell companies what to do. Unions negotiate wage/compensation packages and basic work rules(don't touch the breaker box if you're not an electrician, e.g.), but other than that, companies are really on their own to screw up as they please. As I mentioned before, Detroit was raking in tons of cash during the 90s and didn't invest any of it(that's marketable, at least) in new technology. They blew away ten years of good money and have nothing to show for it. That doesn't mean they don't need the bailout, which I support. Waaay too many jobs at risk all across the country. I think Detroit is capable of competing with the best(CTS, Vette, Malibu,Cobalt SS, e.g.), but they need a leg up until the economy sorts itself out. |
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Yeah, about as stupid as AIG's "seminars", aka beer blasts. |
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If unions are unwilling to renegotiate, that is telling them what to do. |
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This money is nothing when we are trillions of dollars in debt because of the current administration. It is all fun and games to make wars with other countries until you get the 3 trillion dollar bill http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html. It makes absolutely no sense that $25 billion is so much money when $3 trillion will end up being spent on BS wars. So what Obama gets to walk into will be trillions in debt, a failing economy, automakers who might be gone by the time he gets in, and a war that cannot be won. So he is pretty much fucked from the get go. In the end it is less than 1% of the population right? So what is another percent in the national unemployment? And no one looks at the pressure that the automakers are having to lower emissions and increase MPG. And it is not just a push from consumers to have fuel efficient cars it is government mandated stuff. By 2020 which is a little over 11 years away the combined fleet of cars will need to be an average of 35 MPG. That is pretty much a complete redesign of the current cars or new very high efficient cars to offset the gap. So there has to be increased R&D costs to design new technology to achieve the MPG needed. And not only do they have to increase MPG but also they have to decrease the CO2 emissions. The auto makers are pretty much doomed without the support of the government. And not only U.S. automakers but any of them that want to sell here. Eventually only 1 automaker will survive and make a crappy car for a high price and you have to put up with it because the government thought it was a good idea to make the auto industry a monopoly. |
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As in telling management to go fuck themselves? Happens all the time, in all union/management relationships. Eventually both sides will come back to the bargaining table because it's in the best interest of both parties. |
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Under the new laws the Democrats and Obama support, the unions will have all the power. It requires binding arbitration after three months of negotiation and allows strong-arm tactics during the original run-up to unionization and removes the ability to have a private individual vote on unionization. Just wait until you see how bad the economy gets with those rules in place. |
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